Non Invasive Support?

Hi, everyone.
I had thought that by now I’d be logging on to give you all a positive update but the situation has actually got worse. We had a different social worker come out to do another assessment and she was even worse than the first one. She gave me a lot of information that has turned out to be factually inaccurate, spent a lot of time arguing with me about what my son’s needs are, disclosed personal information about two other families (she didn’t name them but through describing their situations to me it was possible for me to identify them as the learning disability community is quite small where we live and we know everybody), and she left without gathering enough information to do the assessment properly. I challenged her about this, she said she had plenty and didn’t need anymore. I emailed her a list of his needs afterwards which she said was helpful - obviously if she already had all the information it wouldn’t have been helpful at all. I was very distressed and stressed by the whole experience and decided not to proceed with the assessment until the Guardianship Order had been granted.

The Guardianship Order has been a whole world of weirdness as well. The social worker who came out to the house to assess my suitability to act as my son’s guardian told me, in front of my son, that I should complain less and learn to bite my tongue. To say I was shocked is an understatement, I don’t think I’ve had a man tell me to bite my tongue since the early 90s. Felt like I’d slipped in to a timewarp. The process with guardianship involves three assessments being carried out, written up and submitted to the court within a thirty day period so timing is tight. I was not involved in organising that part of it, I was told when to attend the assessments. The two medical ones were done late September and early October. The social worker’s one wasn’t until early November and as of yesterday he still hadn’t submitted his report. The solicitor has been chasing him for a month and it looks like they can’t file because everything is so out of date now (the court won’t usually accept reports outside of the thirty day limit and it’s ten weeks now since the first one). On top of that I’ve discovered there’s a lot of work for me submitting reports and having meetings with social workers once the order is granted which I wasn’t aware of, and on top of that it’s transpired that there are actually agencies and a respite centre that can be paid directly by the local council, so if we’d known that at the beginning we could have worked with that. It might have been that they aren’t suitable but at least we could have tried and we’d know where we’re at now.

I genuinely find the public sector to be the disabling aspect of his disabilities. My son isn’t difficult to look after; at this stage a lot of it is supervision, avoiding triggers and giving information when he gets stuck with something. He’s lovely company, he has a number of hobbies that he’s very in to and will happily get on with alone, and he has his social groups and clubs that he enjoys so he has a good mix and a good balance in his life. It works, and it’s twenty years of trial and error that have got us to this point so it’s lived experience and plenty of chopping and changing along the way. The only issue for me is that he can’t be left safely alone for any significant length of time, because he just doesn’t have the capacity to deal with emergencies or unplanned events, which of course means I can’t do anything for myself. I also have no transport of my own and no money because we’ve lived on benefits for years, so even getting people in is pointless now, because I can’t go anywhere. I’ve been desperate to get back to work for so many years but I’m not willing to neglect him in order to do that, and that seems to be what everyone expects me to do. People see him calm, happy and relaxed and they presume me to be an over protective, over anxious mother. They don’t seem to be able to understand that the reason he’s calm, happy and relaxed is because we avoid the sensory overload situations that create the opposite effect, we spend a lot of time at home and when we’re out and about it’s usually doing things and with people that we know he can cope with - trial and error again. The effort that goes in to organising his calendar so that he’s doing as much as possible without getting overloaded is astonishing, but it’s invisible to everyone else. And whatever I say is ignored because I’m ‘just his mum’ and it’s only ‘my perception’. The social worker who’s spent ten minutes in his company, doesn’t know his diagnoses and hasn’t read a single report claims to know him better and can’t even see how incredibly stupid that mindset is.

Sorry for the rant. I try to be practical and just get on with what needs to be done but I feel quite scared. They seem to have an institutionalised mindset here that I haven’t experienced for a long time; the social workers in England have generally been crap but with one exception, they’ve been of the pointless and inefficient variety. Now we’re in Scotland they seem to be more of the ‘we know better and you’ll do what we say’ kind, which I find very frightening.

Anyway. I know not where we’re at just now; I’m reluctant to engage further with them until I feel more secure. I’m considering moving back down South, almost just for a ‘better the devil you know’ feeling. And I think you can manage a budget on someone’s behalf without a guardianship order if social services agree and it’s all agreed outcomes etc? I’ll have to check that, i think I read it somewhere but I read so much that I lose track of it all.

Sorry again for the moaning. I hope everyone else is well :slight_smile: And if someone could invent calorie free mince pies that would be a big help, my box a day habit isn’t doing anything good for my waistline. Lol xx

Hi MWC, I too am absoutely completely and utterly fed up with the attitude of the current breed of social worker. I try very hard not to be defined by my hidden disabilities, my monthly treat is a trip to the beauticians for brows, waxing etc. and my hair is coloured, so I’m often mistaken for being 15-20 years younger than I actually am - even my son’s wife or sister, not mother, which does my self esteem a power of good. No one sees me cuddling a hot water bottle at 3am because my arms etc. are too painful to sleep, for example. Today I’ve just had to take M to the dentist for clean, polish, and fillings. Staff took him to the special needs dentist who failed miserably on many counts. Another visit in January, then I need to take him to the opticians as staff couldn’t support him to choose some specs…the list is endless.

Oh I’m sorry BB, it’s maddening. Why can’t they do these basic things? There seems to be such a lack of common sense and practicality now, no-one seems to think more than five minutes ahead. It’s so frightening to know this is the safety net for them. I’m probably the opposite to you, I think I look like his granny rather than his mum lol. I just don’t know how or what to do about it, they seem to exist on a different plane to everybody else with no connection to reality. It’s really very frightening xx

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I have the clearest possible evidence that there is a huge financial fiddle going on at the moment. In various ways I’ve dealt with accounts for 50 years. Social Services once said it was very optimistic expecting staff to be able to use a calculator. If they can’t surely they shouldn’t be supporting M with his money?! Accounts should be done weekly. They write up a new expenditure sheet monthly. Yesterday, M and I went to the dentist for a 10am hour long appointment. No staff there at 9.30, we got back about 11.15, so why does the rota say they should have been?? Fortunately with no staff, I could copy the menu and rota on M’s printer. Working again since I bought new cartridges! All so frustrating, but I won’t do anything more to resolve the issue until after Christmas. The family deserve a few days of escape from the world, when we can all chill out together, they can light the wood burners in both sheds and play with the new steam engine, eating home made mince pies and Christmas cake at regular intervals while I do some sewing.

So many people all in similar positions. Positions that have not really changed in years despite our best efforts. I am still exhausted and feel ancient despite daughter with LD and autism now living in a flat with her partner.

I have to say, as a couple, their benefits are very good, he is self employed as a gardener and UC tops their income up. The social work practitioner is probably one of the best we’ve had but I am still left to do so much for them. She only works part time so trying to get her to reply can take weeks. All their paperwork, appointments, medication ordering, etc I still do. The SW has suggested travel training again but we’ve been there, done that and I keep saying it’s THE TIME she needs help with she has no problem getting on/off the bus and chats away to people but has no idea what time the bus home is.

MumwhoCares I am dead impressed your son is making progress with telling the time. My daughter is now 40 and still cannot tell the time. What is your secret?

She recently had her Work Capability assessment for Universal Credit and that remains unchanged and she does not have to seek work.

We have a new PA hopefully arriving on Monday (should have been last week but she got covid). There’s not much to do outside this time of year so I have asked her to do some cooking with my daughter and try to encourage her to enjoy being at home sometimes and maybe take up new hobbies. I failed on that!!

We just want our children to be safe, happy, and healthy,without our intervention.60 years ago nearly everyone with LD wen into an institution, where everything was done for them. I believe the pendulum has swung too far the other way. We need a middle ground where they are part of the community, where there LD is recognised, and proper arrangements are made to meet their needs.
The current idea that if you treat them as if they have normal IQ then they will have a normal IQ is ridiculous. Wrong. Brain damage is permanent! I wish my son could read and write and do maths, but he can’t. Social workers should be accepting this, not just trying to down grade his LD as moderate not severe, without consultation!

I’m nodding furiously as I read your replies, Penny and BB! This is what I don’t understand, whether I’m talking to the person who has the disabilities themselves or those close to them they all say the same things, it seems there are a lot of similarities with regards to life with disabilities regardless of the disabilities themselves. So why on earth do the services, doctors, social workers etc listen? They must hear it from all of us constantly, I know I endlessly repeat the same thing. It’s so depressing.
Penny, I have no magic tip with regard to time telling unfortunately, my son decided he wanted to learn 24 hour clock during lockdown and watched You Tube videos about it. That meant telling digital time came along but other than having times up on his chart for what time we leave the house each day it’s kind of just happened by itself. He can’t make sense at all of analogue time and still doesn’t have much concept of what you can get done within a certain amount of time (I have to sergeant major him on days we need to leave the house early otherwise he’d be sat in his PJs doing Lego instead of getting dressed and other times he’ll come down ready for his night out at 8.30am lol). But I’ve not had much influence over him, he seems to go for many years with things not making sense and not being able to do something and then it just happens. I share your frustration with the travel training, for us it’s the sensory issues and what happens if there’s a problem (bus doesn’t turn up for example). I just can’t make anyone understand that you have to address the issues that affect the ability to learn and carry out tasks, not just keep repeating the tasks with no regard for the impact it has on their nervous systems.
BB, yes, I think a middle of the road approach is needed, I keep hearing ‘independence’ but simply making people do things they can’t do doesn’t achieve that. My son will shut down if he gets overloaded so the important thing to do is not overload him; you can get him to do all kinds of things but the impact will be that he’ll spend the next two weeks barely functioning so you have to pick and chose what he does for himself and what he gets help with. They don’t seem to understand that. We have the kind of opposite to you, my son can read and write, and pretty well, too, but he really struggles to process information - he can tell you what time the bus arrives and which stop it’s at, for example, but he can’t cross the road by himself to get there and if the bus driver told him the route was different and he’d have to get off two stops early he’d have no idea what the guy was talking about. They’re all so different, aren’t they, and yet that doesn’t seem to be accepted. Maddening. I have to say steam engines, wood burners, mince pies and sewing sounds lush! Definite must to have those few lovely days at Christmas time xx xx

BB. Sounds a bit like the staff can’t do maths and they are being paid to do a job. Maths isn’t my strongest point but I do keep my budget in order checking with calculater. I saw an elderly couple totting up their shopping using one as they went round. Quite sweet and good for them…

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MumWhoCares - your son and S sound similar. S’s day service either do too much with him or not enough - they don’t understand balance. There seems to a lack of common sense. It’s very frustrating.

Penny perhaps start with specific trips and alarm reminders on her watch/phone. Eg on my phone I can set alarms with messages for particular days and times with a message - Eg she could have an alarm set for 10.30 warning her she will need to get ready to go to the bus stop; then an other alarm telling her to get ready and set off and one when she needs to head for the bus stop home. Admittedly she will need these alarms set for her, but its a step in the right direction.

BB the failings in M’s care are beyond ridiculous. Your Christmas sounds fabulous.

I do my best to make Christmas happy for the sake of everyone else, but without my husband the feeling of loss is almost overwhelming, even after 18 years. Secretly, I breathe a sigh of relief when it’s all over!

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BB I really understand what you mean . Always a void.
I’m happy to be with my family like you are. Hubby is always spoken about. Deep down well…

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Sometimes I just despair at these organisations/agencies who are paid to work with people with LD.

I had a woman who was supposed to take my daughter out for travel training but got lost on her way here and then didn’t see why I thought that was funny.

A few years later we had a woman turned up to do the same training in 6” killer heels. We live in a rural area down a lane and she knew she would be out for hours so you would have thought sensible footwear would have been a good idea.

I used to get excited and hopeful meeting someone new for the first time, now I just remain quiet and expressionless. I find it quite depressing.

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Why bother to send people out without giving THEM the training first?!?!? I share your frustration. I’ve been invited to a Storytelling Event after Christmas, run by the Health Authority, to share me experiences as a carer. Could be interesting!! It’s a 2 hour event. Will that be long enough??? Fortunately I’ve done lots of public speaking so that side of things is OK, I’ll just have to prepare very carefully.

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@Penny I don’t think the worker who got lost would have liked me very much. I’m just now recovering from a good five minute belly laugh over that story. Worked wonders and gave me the equivalent of a fifty sit up workout.

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I’d love to be in the audience for that Bb. Go for it!! :clap::clap::clap:

I love a good laugh Charles so I’m pleased that gave you one. :+1:

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Penny, I have a split personality. 99% of the time, jeans, shorts, T shirts etc. Always happy to muck in with most things. Then there is the “other J…” in a smart black suit, mistaken for being a barrister. As No.1 son, if they meet her “God help them”.
I have represented local residents on planning issues and have successfully spoken against many applications which have all been turned down as a result despite the efforts of highly paid consultants. Funnily enough, my knowledge of HGV’s always comes in handy at times like this.
My favourite line was always “I’m not a lorry hater, in fact I run a national lorry club and own a 32 ton tractor unit and low loader”. They just couldn’t get their heads round that one!
I’ll have to think of something suitable to grab their attention at this “story telling”.
Perhaps the fact that M can light up, manage, and drive a 10 ton steam roller?!

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I can just picture you Bb :rofl::rofl::rofl:

I rang the organisers today to clarify exactly what was going to happen. The girl I spoke to said they’d invited lots of people! How many? The room only holds 30, I thought you’d know that! Silly girl, why would I know that? Then she said about a speaker and a microphone. I asked how long did everyone have each? Those invited like me sit at tables, listen and discuss what carers would like done better? I was tempted to say something about having people with organisational skills but that would be unkind.

But also sadly true.

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